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I mean Climategate showed that's how the
sausage is made but Climategate is
antiquated now because now there's not
if they don't even care anymore I mean
wherever then daily you can read the
stuff Climategate stuff is mostly out in
the open now
you're listening to the Corbett report
welcome friends james corbett here
corbettreport.com in a conversation that
is being recorded in december of 2019
and december of 2019 that can only mean
one thing we've just passed over the one
decade anniversary of Climategate
yes Climategate do you remember I bet
you some of the newer viewers of the
corbett report probably don't remember
Climategate but it is something that I
covered heavily at the time and for
years afterwards because it was a very
important story that really exposed how
the sausage is made in the climate
science Factory and taught us a lot of
things about the what I think a lot of
people suspected about what was really
happening under the hood in climate
science world and it is a pleasure and
an honor to have our guest on today to
talk about this because he's obviously
someone who's been covering this
extensively over the course of the past
decade and he has also written the
politically incorrect guide to climate
change
from which he has excised chapter 10
specifically about climate gate and
posted that on his web site climate
Depot calm which if you're not familiar
with climate Depot is a very valuable
compendium of all sorts of information
all the daily news and information you
could possibly ask for regarding climate
sciences up there so I hope people will
check that out and I will of course link
up for this chapter that we're gonna be
talking about today we regard to climate
gate Marc Morano of thank you very much
for joining us on the program again
thank you James heading off to Madrid to
the UN climate summit here in a few days
and that's always gonna be fun three
years ago I was almost I was actually
arrested by the UN climate cops and
escorted out of the one in Morocco so
you never know what the United Nations
is going to what strong-arm tactics
they're going to employ you have that
ability to really upset people by simply
disagreeing with them which seems a bit
strange especially since we're talking
about a scientific subject of course
they can just spout scientific facts to
you can't they know it seems to be a lot
of people getting extremely angry
actually oddly the whole climate debate
is garnered around not exciting
scientific facts instead they in fact
most of it is going on around the 90s
and consensus they just want to say that
all scientists agree and unless you're
at climate scientists who are you to
dispute this and then less unless you're
a 16 year old Swedish girl then it's
okay she can talk about it but if you
you can't talk about all right yeah well
let's let's get into the meat and
potatoes of this because climate gauge
is such an important subject and I
really want people to go back in my
archives and take a look at some of the
things I've written and to read your art
your chapter here from your book which
is just a great compendium of all the
sort of highlights or lowlights I
suppose in this case but for people who
are completely brand-new to this tell us
a little bit in in a nutshell what is
gloomy gate
well back in November 2009 the we don't
know if they were leaked or if they were
hacked but a series of emails from the
University of East Anglia which is as
you would call it a ground zero for the
United Nations the cadre of elitist
United Nations scientists where they all
that all communication was basically
going in and out of was we think it was
probably could have been released by a
whistleblower or it could have an act
but I think I always tell it was a
whistleblower who we just had had enough
and it was leaked on a I guess it was a
Russian server at the time so there was
a rustic illusion without us even
knowing him and essentially these emails
there was a couple different waves of
emails Climategate 1.0 Climategate 2.0
exposed the United Nations top
scientists as essentially colluding for
a campaign cause on how to present
global warming not just to the public
but to government's the media and even
the scientific community you had
scientists like Phil Jones and Michael
Mann and Kevin Trenberth and others who
literally conspired on how to keep
dissenting voices studies out a
peer-review threatening journal editors
and alike and it was essentially
amounted to what I call a lobbying or
campaign cause where anything off
narrative was attacked in blackballed
and blacklisted and so they had to keep
this narrative keep the campaign of co2
as the driver of climate is the control
knob of climate
and therefore we need you know United
Nations solutions they were very
obedient scientists and this really
exposed them ill one scientist Robert
Austin from Princeton said he sees
Climategate as fraud pure and simple
with all the details that it exposed
well actually that leads to one of the
most interesting things about
Climategate that I never see anyone
talking about which is that the
Information Commissioner in the UK
actually did find that the the the
researchers in question at the
University of East Anglia actually did
they breached the Freedom of Information
Act by refusing to comply with requests
for the data they were in breach of the
law but they couldn't be prosecuted for
that because the offense had taken place
more than six months ago because the
emails of course were related to things
that had happened years in the past so
they could be prosecuted for it but the
Information Commissioner found they did
break the law which is I mean pretty
black-and-white when you think about it
and yet and yet we are constant if we
are told anything at all about
Climategate we are told in a few words
it's been debunked I mean that's
essentially the extent of your response
to this talk about the way they it was
debunked but back to your point on
climate being what you were just saying
about oh the Freedom of Information Act
Phil Jones sent out various emails
including to Michael Mann saying we need
to delete these Michael Mann pass saying
will you pass this on to your associate
to make sure we delete these requests
because they knew it was gonna make them
look very bad this was them you know
again it's inspiring the suppressed
information that was against the
narrative so Michael Mann never got you
know he said oh I got the message thank
you all good I'll get right on it he
claims he never actually deleted
anything but it's highly questionable
but he did pass along the email and so
they were frantically spreading emails
when they realized these Freedom of
Information Act to delete all the
material that was being requested so
clearly even if they didn't find them
legal these emails clearly expose them
to be breaking the law and illegal now
and that's just a minor point though
because the larger picture
was just of this campaign cause I don't
know a better word to describe it than
that it's not science because you know
science isn't about lobbying Judith
Curie this week in the in the run-up to
the UN climate summit in Madrid actually
had a great line the climatologist from
Georgia Tech she actually said that the
the cart went before the horsehair and
that the scientists were actually doing
the bidding for the UN political
policymaking so that's essentially
really what Climategate exposed that
these scientists weren't actually just
looking at the science trying to figure
out what was going on they were tasked
and they were selected by all these
different countries handpicked
essentially they weren't gonna pick
skeptics in the early days they did
that's why you had many skeptics like
John Christie and Chris Lancia ended up
leaving and resigning in protest Roger
Koki senior once they realized what the
process was and we had stories of John
Christie saying he would sit at a table
with other scientists they were going
over the reports and the other
scientists will say we have to make the
report show alarming the world will have
to act I mean these were lobbyists not
scientists so that's what that's what
was so shocking but so this was done and
you and then Climategate scandal showed
these scientists basically saying what
points what can we highlight to make the
Kyoto Protocol the Copenhagen agreement
what can we do to make this happen we
have to convince people they were on a
mission which is really just
antithetical to the scientific process
absolutely right and and speaking of how
climate science tends to avoid actual
facts and data let's throw out a bit of
actual fact and data in this
conversation let's talk about do you
have any particular emails that jump out
at you from that batch that you thought
were particularly egregious some of the
well the ones I previously mentioned
with Michael Mann saying that he was
going to delete the email some of the
most amazing involve Michael Mann
because they were his colleagues people
like Keith Britta and others whose
publicly were silent on his remember
this whole hockey stick chart that
Michael Mann became iconic and he still
goes around and he calls it the iconic
chart he still goes around claiming to
be a Nobel Prize winner this is the Penn
State professor
they actually behind-the-scenes
ridiculed laughed at and just said they
didn't believe that the hockey stick was
accurate valid there were so many
problems with it and it was an amazing
thing because publicly they said nothing
publicly they allowed the UN to reprint
the graph in the 2001 report multiple
times they allow the media to run with
it like this was a defining he might
this graph completely overturned the
1990 UN IPCC report which showed the
Medieval Warm Period much warmer than
current temperatures so I think the
emails on that were just so shocking of
what they were willing to do because
even though his colleagues harshly
criticized the methodology the results
and the statistics behind the hockey
stick they remain silent and they
allowed all this nonsense to go out in
the public and they allowed Michael Mann
to become iconic in his words right I
talked about the one-and-only email that
I think was ever addressed even even
tangentially really in the media
coverage of this which was hide the
decline hide the decline is a
fascinating you know I I will give the
the Clinton some there's some credit or
most people on discussions in us get
most not most but a lot of skeptics
including some of the media
misinterpreted that to think that there
was a general global cooling trend and
that you know that they were hiding that
actually it had to do with the
temperature trend beginning in the 1960s
they I guess they ran out of the proxy
data but they switched to a different
that's so one scientist liken it to
comparing apples and oranges but when
they did that it showed the declining
temperatures I guess the present day so
in order to fix that because they
couldn't release a temperature graph
like that they went back and they
essentially found that basically
tortured the data found a different
temperature set so they could show a
warming since that time but they were
still manipulating and trying to do the
campaign cause if you will to keep
everything on narrative but it did not
mean there was a general cooling trend
and then they hid that decline it meant
that they switched temperature data sets
comparing apples to oranges in order to
fit their narrative does that does that
explain it without getting actually it's
even a step further than that because
they were using trees as thermometers
which we are told worked perfectly well
for thousands of
but then somehow in the 1960s they
diverged from temperatures and oh well
we'll just have to hide that fact that
they was declining in the tree Dennison
and that was an underlying thing is if
it's certain things they know to be so
or must be so they would reject that
data and fix it another example of that
just in modern times is the sea level
rise that tide gauges so no acceleration
and sea level rise so they switch they
started using satellite sea level rise
in 1993 and it shows a big big jump
again apples to oranges two different
methodology and now your global
knowledge will only use the satellite in
fact they'll say we had a huge jump in
the 90s alone well no we didn't cuz tide
gauges haven't said anything significant
but because you switched methodology yes
it does show it jump that's the kind of
thing that hide the decline represented
but again it's whatever sticks to the
wall whatever they can do that's what
the climate might one of my favorite
analysis was uh I lose Rex
Muffy from the Canadian broadcast he
said that climate advocacy and scientist
went to bed and both had a very good
time because that's essentially what
happened as scientists became advocates
and they essentially weren't interested
in anything that put them off the
narrative and that essentially in a
nutshell is what hide the decline was
about trees are fine when they suit your
purpose but when they don't suit your
purpose hey we got to find a different
data set and hold who cares we'll just
splice them together even if even if we
wouldn't do that normally this is what
we need to do because that's the message
we have to get out yeah and and speaking
of tree monitors I will dig up and find
a great article that Steve McIntyre had
at climate audit several years ago about
the most important tree in the world and
when you read that story and find out
the kinds of things they're doing with
this proxy data is just nonsense my I
think my favorite are two of the biggest
heroes in this whole thing I mean hey
they went after Michael man relentlessly
for a decade or more and and they were a
big part if you read the Climategate
emails they were the biggest thorn in
the side of the top UN scientists and
just thank your lucky stars that we had
those two absolutely and there that's
what a lot of our some of the email
swirl around
it's discussion of McIntyre and maked
McKittrick I think my my favourites are
people saying things like well we can't
release the data because all you want to
do is find a problem with it we've had
many and Michael's and others have
gotten emails like that I would release
the data to you but all you want to do
is find a problem with it you know again
against the narrative they're not gonna
they're not interested in you finding
they're interested in this fits the
narrative another example of that is the
NOAA paper the pause buster when
President Obama was heading off to Paris
climate agreement in 2015
NOAA released this paper saying that the
pause never exists how do you deal with
a positive 60 excuses for why this
global warming pause existed the hell
with the 62 says let's just do a new
paper revising the data and saying it
never existed that paper was rushed to
peer review within weeks and no other
paper could have gotten that kind of you
know expediency but it was politically
necessary for Obama to be able to say
the great global warming pause is no
more it never existed even after we had
60 excuses again that's a kind of
example of what Climategate was what
expose behind the scenes yeah my own
personal favorite batch is the Harry
Reid me file which was an atom II file
included with this of their the notes of
a programmer who and who's trying to
sort through the the CR use database and
you have to read them where he's talking
about artificially adjusting to look
closer to real temperatures and using
hundreds if not thousands of dummy
stations that somehow ended up in the
data that they were using and just you
read through that and you see the mess
that was the data sets they were working
from but don't worry they can predict
the weather - you know tenth of a degree
Celsius a hundred years from now and
trust them the science is settled you
mentioned how the sausage is made
Harry Reid me files a great example of
that it's statistical torturing of data
basically to get what you want and it's
not that it's really not that hard and
we have all these adjustments if you go
back 1990-1999 or so NASA showed the
1930s as warmer than the 1990s if you
look at the data now the 1930s are
cooler than the 1990s they've
historically gone back and revised it
and they're very done with little
algorithms and statistical there's no
way the average person
to understand it and they don't even
really release it to the public or other
scientists to act adequately understand
it but this is the kind of stuff and the
hairy readme file which we just showed
the programmers just angst and just you
know just frustration and the mess that
they had there but this is what we're
dealing with this is the modern record a
simpler way of looking the other thing
they do is show the scale of
temperatures Patrick Moore the
Greenpeace co-founder gave a great talk
in Canada a few weeks back a at a
conference I attended and you show the
scale at temperatures in you know but
they could declare a hottest year or a
hottest that you were talking hundreds
of a degree James and this is i sounds
impressive it's all hottest year on
record since record-keeping began at
1880 1860
do you realize that the hundreds of a
degree difference between other hottest
years is statistically in I guess it's
immeasurable I always say it's
unmeasurable immeasurable I've been
corrected on that yeah you cannot
distinguish between the temperature
difference because the margin of error
is tenths of a degree and this is what
even we get such a stick of this 2014
that Associated Press actually did a
correction and NASA was forced to
backpedal and admit that these years
were statistically insignificant of
course it was in small print and it
didn't affect the big headlines at the
time but this is some of the nonsense
but if you look at it from a scale you
know instead of like on a 1 degree on
degrees Celsius you can see a
temperature is essentially flat for
almost two centuries and a half or a
slight warming trend it's nothing
significant one of my favorites was
Leonard a burnt bear instead from from
Norway the top scientists there he said
you can't even distinguish we wouldn't
even tell the temperature changed
without modern thermometers essentially
over the last hundred years the
temperature is so small and the Nobel
prize-winning physicist I've hardly ever
said it's so small of an increase over a
hundred years it's not even a fever you
can't see it but if you do all that kind
of statistical nonsense you can scare
the public and that's what they're
trying to do I mean Climategate showed
that's how the sausage is made but
Climategate is antiquated now because
now there's not
they don't even care anymore I mean
wherever than daily you can read the
stuff Climategate stuff is mostly out in
the open now it is just out right out
you know the stuff they're lobbying for
with this climate emergency and the
claims that they make now you know
Michael Mann for instance is saying that
after every hurricane he comes on the
day or two after to say that we're
facing major cities under water
essentially unless we act and acting of
course even John Kerry admitted if the
u.s. zeroed out their emissions if we
shut off all fossil fuels it would have
no impact on global emissions because of
all the developing world so it's a
futile effort even if you believe the
climate emergency claims well I guess
unless you can squelch all of humanity's
and progress and just make sure no one
ever has access to energy ever again
then we can live happily
of course nonsense let's get to the
heart of the debunking which has
apparently taken place of climate it's
been multiple inquiries have debunked
this hasn't haven't there been yes I
guess about six maybe seven even of
these reports and what it essentially
amounts it so this was right after clam
burger first of all they tried to ignore
climate Kane and this was a key thing
yeah there was really the the
establishment especially thought it was
much ado about nothing and just let it
go
which was I always say I remember cream
quoted in Newsweek magazine thanking the
global warming establishment and the
establishment media for ignoring climate
because it allowed climate skeptics to
bring out and can basically expose it
without all that interference from the
media and push back but a few months
later they realize this is serious it
was so serious by the way people like
climatologist Judith curry who was at
believer eight you know I'm convinced
believer of the climate crisis literally
switched her view and became a skeptic
with it almost yeah less than a year
from reading these emails that's how
powerful it was but they came out with
all these different committees including
Penn State did an inquiry multiple UK
inquiries including the East Anglia The
Associated Press did their own analysis
through all the emails and their whole
goal has this amount of basically
amounts to the global warming
establishment essentially investigating
itself and declaring that they were fine
and there was nothing
to be seen here and in committee after
committee basically went through and
they had people on it with vested
interests some of the UK committees
actually had renewable energy advocates
and people receiving mass subsidies who
were directly benefit from climate
policy running the inquiries the Penn
State committee that investigated
Michael Mann and I don't make this up I
actually quote it literally concluded
that because Michael Mann was so quoted
in the media and made so much money for
the university he couldn't possibly have
done anything wrong and that's not one
of the analysts said this was a parody
of an investigation that these words
were actually in the report but the
media didn't actually even quote any of
those outrageous quote they just said Oh
Penn State has exonerated Michael Mann
but the global warming establishment
investigated itself and declared that it
was okay by the way there's no other
industry where you can investigate
yourself like that usually with
important independent outside groups but
you know this is what they did and then
they moved on Seth Borenstein of course
The Associated Press reporter did a
whole analysis of all the emails and
declared that there was nothing to be
seen it was just scientists using it was
the phrase I think he said you know in
articulate or unfortunate choice of
words at times but it's clear and I
tried it in my book chapter which is a
climate depot I tried to put in some of
the best highlights you can actually see
the scientists colluding to keep the
narrative alive and they seem to be
pretty much willing to do anything one
of the most challenging information if
ever one of the emails that sticks out
of my mind now you mentioned that we're
talking about it I believe it was Phil
Jones and I can't member who was writing
to may have been Keith Britta about
attending a solar conference of solar
scientists astrophysicists and he's very
disgusted because he said they're not
buying essentially co2 as the driver of
climate and we have to figure out a way
that basically banned these guys and
keep their data and information out of
the UN process because they know they're
the world's top scientists if those
scientists aren't speaking through the
UN they're basically marginalized
because the world is looking at the
thousands of top scientists which by the
way is literally only 52 scientists
as in the last report look at whether
co2 causes warming the rest of these
scientists which is only in the hundreds
and then actually not scientists
professors sociologists anthropologists
many from Greenpeace and other
environmental groups they're just
looking at impact studies Mehcad and in
the book I go through and actually show
that they're now calling models which
are nothing more than a mission
scenarios or predictions they call that
data and that's fascinating because
that's that's their new data so I always
call it the misdirection if you say for
instance polar bears polar bears it's
more dire than we thought it's like wait
a minute how could it be more dire there
at ordinary historic population highs
every international body has never
counted this many polar bears they're
thriving in numbers this is like record
booming how could it be more dire well
our predictions of the year 2100 and now
more dire than our predictions were just
five years ago so it's a misdirection
saying with temperature we're in a three
and a half year cooling trend from the
higher the El Nino but they'll go on and
they'll say July was the hottest month
completely ignoring it that it's just
it's that kind of misdirection is if the
current reality fails to alarm make
scary predictions of the future that's
one of the things they do and that's
again if you read it Climategate emails
you can actually get a full
understanding for their tactics and how
they work and and by the way they've won
I hate to say that they did Climategate
was a horrible scandal but they overcame
it and they just they they persevered
and actually one of the reforms after
climate I used to written not much just
me but other climate sceptics some
Heartland and scientists including
people that will happen and others were
regularly on CNN MSNBC mainstream media
NBC I was on ABC news that I mean they
used to interview it was about after
Climategate that they realized we cannot
allow climate skeptics anymore airtime
and mainstream media the LA Times said
they won't even print letters to the
editor of anyone skeptical CBS News as a
result of the climate we think was right
before Climategate but around the same
time their lead anchor said he wouldn't
interview a climate skeptic a climate
denier for the same reason he wouldn't
do a Holocaust denier if you were doing
a story I mean direct comparison so what
that's done is it shut out all the
skeptics from mainstream media
and that's where we are now where
they'll if you even look at public
polling the belief is going back up
because people aren't hearing that
dissent anymore so one of the impacts of
climate gate was the media basically
banned all the setting voices to help
out the side of the UN process and it
worked yeah and actually now that I
think about it that's something I even
noticed in preparation for our
conversation I was going through some of
your interviews on on ABC and Fox and
BBC in the past that you did on
Climategate and debating Bill Nye and
things and just running circles around
him which is always fun to watch but I
don't get to watch that anymore because
they won't the alternative media of it
but none of the network's not CNN not I
mean I see on the MSNBC in debates ABC
News regularly debated this I mean I'm
talking right after Climategate and
around that time now it's not even on
the table NBC News announces Chuck Todd
on Meet the Press we are not going to
debate the science of global warming I
mean they just declared it over and it
just it's amazing and it has an impact
you have people like Mitt Romney
Republican your people like Lindsey
Graham who are now forming essentially
like a climate caucus where they're
gonna come up with a green new deal
light they're accepting the science so
it's even getting into Republicans
because mainstream Republicans only get
their news from CNN ABC see and they
don't hear any dissent and that's one of
the issues so it's again the legacy of
Climategate is the other side the UN
activist side got smarter and more
effective and they're actually now I
would say winning even more than they
were before
yeah that is really the sad truth of it
now that I wrecked on that and perhaps
but no better sign of that than the
festivities that are taking place in
Madrid that you're about to head off to
tell people about what's happening well
every year and I've been going to these
since 2002 the Morea not Rio but the
desert South African Earth Summit they
had in 2002 I go to all these
conferences and actually at that one
they were there to talk about
sustainable development and limiting
development and you know they talk about
planned recessions at these indie growth
strategies and stopping endless GDP
growth because the earth can't handle it
but at these conferences they'll have
they fly the world leaders and
celebrities that airports are jammed
with a private jet number one they have
chefs being flown in to do special
lobster and pate and all kinds of
specialty devices they actually allow
the chefs will be interviewed and
articles talking about
well these world leaders feast on
champagne and caviar and talk about
world poverty and development this is
what these conferences are about an
interesting example of that the Madrid
conference this year they had a list of
all the countries sending delegations it
was shocking you know what country is
sending the most delegates out of every
country in the world Democratic Republic
of Congo why would the Democratic
Congress send that many people Africa is
at the receiving end of the UN climate I
call it slush fund hundred billion
dollars a year Africa is going to get
all that redistribution of wealth or so
you would think but it ends up and I
interviewed a South African Development
activist about this it goes to the
government's best able to keep their
people locked in poverty and it goes to
those leaders of those governments to
build monuments to themselves and sure
their reelection give out contracts to
their friends and all this money at the
same time they're lauded as eco-friendly
because they keep the economic
development and then which is immoral
because people who don't even have
running water electricity so
interestingly enough and not just
democratic Robin congregant countries
have the highest attendance rates and
sending the most delegates because they
are there to lobby for that money and
that's what this is all about in fact
the whole UN process auto even offer
who's a IPCC vice chairman this is not
about climate or energy it's nothing to
do with it this is about redistribution
of wealth the informative climate chief
christina fig yeah as I said we seek in
this exact quote a centralized
transformation that will make life on
planet Earth it's very different from
everyone same with the green new deal by
the way the architects of I said this is
not a change it's not an a climate thing
this is a change the economy thing these
are the architects who wrote it same
principle and I book I go back the 1960s
and 70s same solutions different
environmental scares so global warming
is the latest viral scare with the exact
same solutions of central planning
international sovereignty threatening
treaties and well
redistribution that's what Madrid is all
about yeah it really is I mean the
vision of the future if these people
have their way is essentially a bunch of
peasants scrambling in the soil to try
to make ends meet while the the lords
fly from Castle to Castle talking about
how they're going to save the earth
essentially und you just issued that
every single country essentially in the
EU is failing all their green targets I
mean there's this is just a disaster but
academic now I believe was from
Australia a global climate activists
academic professor came out and said
it's time to start considering the UN
being able to use military measures in
order to enforce these emission goals
and now we're faced with the prospect of
some kind of international you know the
UN peacekeeping force imagine the UN
climate saving force this and there's
plenty of work for that force to do
because all the countries are failing to
meet these targets which they all claim
and this is where we're headed it's it's
it's it's frightening the bit and I'll
get to the Trump administration in a
minute because it's been a key key
disappointment on that front but the
2015 Paris agreement I did a report
recently James about you know maybe a
month ago that said that I went back in
2015 we had Al Gore John Kerry President
Obama all saying that future generations
will thank us we've saved the planet
this is a monumental moment in history
what happened now four years later we're
told that that wasn't enough that it's a
failure that it was inadequate that it
never would of work that it was wave
woefully inadequate so no matter how
much you appease this there's never
gonna be enough it's not like if we come
up with a new treaty this year and sign
on that they're gonna say oh they'll say
we saved the planet with a few years
later it's not going to be enough they
want more and more and more yes so let's
get to that Trump disappointment that
you talked about I guess we're going to
talk about will happen well yeah I felt
I feel bad for what he was he went to
the Trump administration he was gonna
give it one year I guess maybe it was
here two years now to try to get
essentially a Presidential Commission on
climate now keep in mind the United
Nations started this in 1988 the United
Nations essentially said we're gonna
look at co2 whether it's a problem or
not they had no incentive to find out it
wasn't a problem so their incentive
to constantly say not only is it a
problem but it's getting worse and worse
worse and we must act so you have a
group the same group is in charge of
finding the problem and making the
claims right how dire it is they're also
in charge of providing the solutions and
where all the money is going to come
through them and we're just going to
empower them and they'll be able to
essentially transform now they'll make
life on Earth different for us that's a
clear conflict of interest number one so
number two no government no no official
study since 1988 has ever countered the
United Nations and I believe I'm right
on that I mean and there's been a lot of
independent studies scientists the Trump
administration for the first time since
this whole scare started in 1988 with
the UN had a chance to have a federally
commissioned climate Commission
including people like Richard Lyndon and
and will happen and by judith curry and
others and trump from everything I've
heard and talked to people behind the
scenes actually approve this committee
but what happened the people around him
including a court according to reports
Mick Mulvaney and others basically said
oh no we can't do that right now and
drag their feet tractor feet drag they
had a meeting in April with President
Trump April 220 2019 and Trump turned
the wheel after an actually I thought I
approved this commission what happened
and they said well yeah you did but you
know it got delayed because they delayed
it and then they said we can't do it now
because it's too close to the election
so they won they deferred the whole
Commission will hamper then left the
administration he's kind of frustrated
he's willing to go back in a second term
if there's a second term and if but he's
not even convinced they're gonna do it
in a second term here's the problem by
missing this historic opportunity we had
the chance to have the first government
document pushing back all hell would
have broken loose now I understand
establishment Republicans this is like
in their minds it's like Vietnam is it's
a no-win situation why would they want
to deal with the science it's gonna be
catastrophic they're gonna have to go on
you know yo face is George
Stephanopoulos and Chuck Todd on NBC and
they're gonna have to answer questions
they don't want to deal on it but
there's the secondary problem here is
none of chumps Trump's cabinet including
the man who hired me EPA chief Andrew
wheeler I don't get in trouble here but
he's
he's been a fantastic APA chief on the
regulatory side but he will not touch
the science they won't challenge it Rick
Perry Energy Department leading skeptic
when he ran for president silent we run
scared actually says he and Al Gore have
the same goals and he lobbied for Trump
to stay in the um Paris agreement the
NASA had Bryden Stein he was a global
warming skeptic right before his
swearing-in as the NASA head he had a he
brought Bill Nye to the State of the
Union and then declared he was no longer
a skeptic because he didn't want to deal
with the hassle State Department on what
no one will discuss climate science the
only person in sup administration who
would was Scott Pruett what happened to
Scott through it
he was ridden out of town like a common
criminal why because the EPA
bureaucratic staff turned against him he
was the only cabinet head willing to
challenge the UN the science claims go
on mainstream media they had to go after
him his wife wanted help with a DP with
a chick-fil-a
he got below average rates on a Airbnb
rental nonsense stuff that no other
cabinet member in the history of
presidents would be held to he was run
out of office on and the lesson was
clear no one will no other
administration official will now take
that on cuz he saw what happened to
Scott Pruett they're not going to touch
it
so we have a situation now of the most
skeptical president and by the way Trump
himself is fantastic he when he gets a
chance even walk into a helicopter sixty
minutes
he says everything I've done reports
where I sort of translate what Trump he
says it in trumpian language but his
points are all valid he is a pure
skeptic and he's actually very
articulate it suggests that he only
brings it up when asked and it's you
know maybe once or twice a year but no
one has administration backs him up so
we miss a historic opportunity now we
have going forward you know you have
Republicans fracturing on this you have
Trump who's probably going to stay
silent on the science again doing
fantastic on policy I'm not criticizing
that but you can only go so far when
you're fighting the green New Deal or
other stuff oh that's gonna cost too
much or that's the at some point you got
to go after the premise and that's what
the Trump administration has failed on
yeah that's exactly right go after the
premise or go home because that is what
this is about and you are going to lose
the battle for hearts and minds if you
don't attack the the root of
which is this shoddy phony science then
we can make our losing the battle and
apply a failure on my part because I
consider I consider that my job and do
that but I mean I five years ago I was
we have a group called collegiates for a
constructive tomorrow it's part of the
committee for construct it's why my
parent group which is climbing the red
fronts which climate Depot is part of
and I five eight years ago I would speak
to libertarian conservative college kids
they were with me the last two years
I've been in shock these kids have never
even heard there's another side to
global warming
so that indoctrination from kindergarten
through college is working we're seeing
even conservative kids today not even
aware that there's a debate on climate
and what do you want to bet YouTube will
helpfully produce a little link to
Wikipedia underneath this very video if
you go to youtube to watch I shouldn't
but if you do there it is that but it'll
be harder to find we're finding even my
name is Google specifically YouTube
they're not showing up or give you ten
returns only one even though you put in
all the right keywords it'll be the
tenth one down at the bottom yeah try
typing simon cade into the youtube
search engine see what you find
and see what you don't yeah i did a
video with heritage foundation a
facebook video which was only like two
minutes on the 97% consensus it got over
10 million views the the climate
activists were so outraged they use that
as an example to lobby Zuckerberg of
Facebook to ban climate deniers and
skeptics and since that time Facebook
has really I don't know if that was
responsible but that was one of the
things they used no one in a skeptic
roles come close to any number like that
because it's all suppressed and it's
powerful stuff especially for young
people because that's where they get
their world their world of social media
and we climate skeptics have been
essentially we're just been shut out I
know I sound like a pity party here help
me say something positive oh I was so
gonna ask you the same thing well well
here is one positive thing that we can
bring this back around to people might
remember that Climategate took place in
the lead-up to the annual conference of
the parties that was happening in
Copenhagen that in 2009 which looked
like it was going to be
a particularly pivotal one where they
were going to come up with some text
that was going to be very game-changing
which fell apart
you might remember not only because of
Climategate but also because of the
leaked Danish text which the developing
world looked at this and thought hey I
thought we would this was a gravy train
I thought we were gonna get all sort of
money out of this oh wait it seems like
we're not this isn't about us I don't
know what's going on and negotiations
fell apart and they didn't emerge with
very much from Copenhagen that year and
if anything perhaps that will be the
sort of the the curse of this climate
conference that they can continue to the
festivities that continue to hold at the
UN is that yeah eventually people are
going to realize oh this isn't good to
benefit us it is to impoverish us that
is the end goal of this and I don't
think that's a something you can sell
the public on very easily
well you can't whether you and his
genius using the big status you know
powers that they have the country
that'll be most affected would be Africa
South America parts of Asia you know one
billion people don't have running water
and electricity how do you get these
people to sign on like one time in the
Indian environmental Minister said it
passed I will not sign on to a UN
emission limiting treaty that would
affect fossil fuels because 40 nearly
40% of our people don't have running
water and electricity the problem with
that is how do they got around it by
doing this we will give your governments
huge amounts of money you'll get rid of
billions of dollars a year in order to
to mollify you would be wealth
redistribution it'll keep you happy and
that particularly works well in Africa
where you have a lot of dictatorships no
not enough democracy where the leaders
are just like absolutely will sign on
why do you think they're sending the
most delegates to these conferences so
that's the way they get around that even
though it's not in the self-interest of
the African people the leaders are
willing to sell out because this is
money on it and even if the leaders mean
well it's still going to be a
redistribution through government
through agencies it's going to trickle
down very little to the actual people
and it's not going to be it's going to
be more in the form of subsidizing them
at a lower level at a higher level of
poverty it's not going to be about whole
scale development we know Obama
administration itself to the World Bank
wouldn't allow vetoed coal plants and
other fossil fuel energy projects in
Africa do
climate concerns I mean this is this is
the this is the kind of thing that we're
facing there well more is strong maybe
dead but his spirit lives on in the
crooks and swindlers who are still
overseeing this process that was my
attempt to try to wrap up on something
hopeful but you've just destroyed it I
was asked by I think with Swedish TV
about a month ago why is it the
Europeans are less skeptical you know
except the climate Americans don't and I
said well here's a simple reason because
in Europe when you propose wealth
redistribution central planning
Europeans are just beaten down they have
they've already their way you know in
terms of the state the status the
governments they're they don't challenge
the premise they accept the solutions I
always say that about Pope Francis the
reason he accepted the global warming
wasn't because he was any great
scientist who looked at the issue and
concluded that the UN claims were right
he they like Jerry Maguire with Tom
Cruise you had me at hello well
they had him at the solutions and the
solutions are essential planning wealth
redistribution so I think that is
ultimately walk by Europeans accept the
science in American snow because
Americans say well wait a minute if why
would we need these kind of solutions
they start looking at the science much
more because they're rejecting the
solutions that's why we've always been
inherently skeptical because we sense
something's up with the solutions and I
would leave you on this here's my
positive note if we actually faced a
climate emergency like they're saying
the last thing we'd want to do is a
green new deal that would centrally plan
bring in massive new government
regulations that would that would pick
winners and losers that would just be
more subsidies to failing industries
what you would want to do is Bank on
what Al Gore has long argued that
there's a lot of money to be made for
these entrepreneurs out there who can
come up with emission free technology
the day we can go to Walmart put a solar
panel on our house and get off the grid
is the day this whole you know policy
argument ends so what we would want is
massive you know free markets
technolon technology will break through
and encouragement and that's all you
would ever need in other words we're
already doing what you would need to do
if we face the climate emergency you
want
people resilient and the way to do that
is economic growth development I mean
this extreme weather deaths are down
dramatically over the last hundred years
like 90 some percent we just keep doing
what we're doing and I don't want to be
against solar and wind because I don't
know what kind of sexy the solar any
kind of technological break so I always
tell people I'm not against it but why
mandate energy that's not ready for
primetime solar went and then I ban
energy that's proven itself worked
that's what makes no sense and you know
if you look at we're leading to the
United States is leading the way because
we're allowing fracking and it right now
fracking's I went and testified at the
Pennsylvania State House the governor
there wants to join the regional state
greenhouse gas emission things and he
wants to start getting essentially
bureaucratic orders from states like
Massachusetts and New York and I told
Pennsylvania you have nothing to learn
from Massachusetts and New Jersey New
York Pennsylvania has everything to
teach the rest of the world they've
allowed fracking which has helped the
u.s. lead the greatest emission drops in
recent years we're leading the world in
terms of co2 emission drops because of
the transfer from coal to natural gas
which is lower emissions well actually
you talk about the Europeans being
beaten down but I think the yellow vest
movement which really do do people
remember it launched because of the Oh
suddenly we have fuel taxes that are
we're gonna have to spend more because
of this climate change wait now let's
take to the streets and I think we may
be seeing more of that in the future I
think you're right I think that's funny
thing is so the reason the UN summit is
in Madrid his first of all it was
scheduled for Brazil both scenario the
Brazilian Trump said hell no I'm not
going to have the UN he kicked it out so
then Chile says hey we've been doing all
these UN type you know green policies
will be a showcase model country will
host it so Chile a hosts it and then
right before it they have all these
riots based on the same thing that
happened in France because of the energy
taxes transportation - all because of
climate policies so they have big
massive deaths disruption they had to
cancel now it goes over to Madrid and so
this is this is the problem that was
what I'm hearing about like in France is
they've somehow been able to get the
French protesters that now blame and
there's so many tools that Garmin and
media have that it's not as focused as
it should be and I don't know that
ultimately the yellow vest you know
what's the result going to be microns
still in power they still they did they
did pull back a little bit on some of
the carbon taxes and stuff but those are
all temporary you know because this
agenda is not going anywhere this is the
modern progressive left they've decided
and in fact I actually quote Naomi Klein
in his book is capitalism versus the
climate capitalism is incompatible with
a living livable climate this is their
goal they're using the climate scare to
achieve ends they otherwise couldn't
convince people of that's what they're
trying to do certainly working with
young people and it's working with even
some Republicans like you would expect
people like Mitt Romney who who's going
to be the biggest disaster for the
Republican because I mean you know he's
he's positioning himself as I think John
McCain and Beyond I mean he wants to be
much more media friendly than John
McCain I mean Romney is going he's good
he's now taken up the climate mantle for
Republicans all right well I could talk
about you and talk with you about this
for hours budgets I think we've already
said well overstayed your time so let's
just direct people to your website and
to the book of course you're going to be
doing your coverage of Madrid so I'm
looking forward to that but tell us
about what people can find a climate
people ok climate Depot calm is daily
updated oh yeah I'll be off to Madrid
and I'll be having by doing some videos
and daily reports from the UN climate
summit also my book is the politically
incorrect guide to climate change 2018
it came out it was just updated about
five months ago with a bonus chapter on
the green New Deal so if you order it
now you get the bonus chapter and it's
adapted from my testimony before the
Congress on the green New Deal but just
just the the final thought here is
they're going after every aspect of our
lives from our diets to meat-eating the
former UN chief said we need to banish
meat-eating the same way smokers have
been banished and restaurants they're
going after all of our transportation
they're proposing carbon ration cards
that monitor your energy use they're
going after the species extinction
movement which the UN is now elevated
another tool to affect all sorts of
development transportation there is no
end I think the message of a hope here
is the u.s. is the last bastion of
resistance and it's led by Donald Trump
and I think you know I was talking to
someone who's actually in my sequel
which is coming out in the April so I
film climate hustle - they said that the
United States fails then there's no
resistance left we're the last great
hope we can't give up hope are our hope
to fight this we have to keep fighting
and our biggest prayer is we need to
push back hard on the science and change
the narrative we're in a position to do
that with President Trump well we'll see
if it ever happens but that's yeah I'm
not holding my breath for any political
process here but I still I have to speak
the truth and it's an however unpopular
it becomes so I'm holding my little
patch of Japan and I'll wait for the
rest of the world to join me all right
we're gonna leave things there Marc
Morano thank you so much for joining us
climate depot calm all the links will be
in the show notes thanks again for your
time thank you James appreciate